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Trakis wrote:

If you're going to blame Bush for starting to ruin the economy in the first 8 months of his Presidency, please say how he did so. You can't throw something like that out there without backing it up.

There were two significant things that made the Great Depression much, much worse than it should have been. The first was a monetary contraction rather than expansion and economists have a much greater understanding of monetary policy now. The second was a string of policies enacted to greatly reduce the demand for employment at a time when it needed to be increased and as long as the government does not take action to reduce the demand for employment, then any balloon in unemployment will be relatively minor and will not be a pervasive long-term problem like it was during the GD.

Also, banks failed in the GD because people got scared and bank runs occurred. With deposit insurance, a massive number of bank failures is highly unlikely to happen.

This whole situation could never be blamed on just one person, I'm fairly sure a multitude of factors came together to put us, and the world, in this predicament.

Bush didn't "help", but the oversight committee for banks and wallstreet are more to blame, the banks themselves making ridiculous loans to each other and borrowers that they knew they shouldn't to line their pockets didn't help either.

The core of what likely got us into this, is greed.

yea, i would be curious to know how Bush, single handedly is responsible for people taking out loans they cant pay off, and how he is responsible for companies borrowing money they cant pay off, and all of the other things that have affected our current economic situation.

Sorry to say it guys but if your going to blame a president for an economy like this, then you may as well blame Clinton's 8 previous years, and then blame bush for continuing to wreck it.

Hell you may as well blame bush senior for the economic problems he introduced as well, but the point is that No president is responsible for other people's stupidity. Is it the presidents fault that 90% of all small businesses borrow the money it takes to pay their payroll? No its not, Its mostly people not understanding how economics work. If their money stops coming in, they cant pay their bills and then default. Multiply that over millions of small businesses all over the country and the banks that loan the money, that uhoh, they don't have ether, and you come up with people not paying off their bills because they cant, then banks not being able to collect and pay off their bills, so the entire system collapses.

That is not any one persons fault and if your going to blame Bush for it, your seriously retarded and need to go back to civics class and read the chapter on personal responsibility. If you cant pay it off, don't borrow it.

Personally i blame party politics. Both the democrats and the republicans block each others bills even when they are good legislation simply because they don't want the other guys to be right. It's absurd and i think that anyone who is a career politician should be fired simply because they have lost objectivity. They have more loyalty to their parties than they do to the American people and thats the problem.

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Personally i blame party politics. Both the democrats and the republicans block each others bills even when they are good legislation simply because they don't want the other guys to be right. It's absurd and i think that anyone who is a career politician should be fired simply because they have lost objectivity. They have more loyalty to their parties than they do to the American people and thats the problem.

This. Plain and simple.

This is where I got my analogy from, in fact.

Politics is like watching a bunch of babies fighting over a lollipop.

It would be great if they could set aside their differences and legislate for the good of the american people... like, they are supposed to do.

Sigh, we can always hope right?

Its going to come down to Communism, or Revolution and i firmly believe that.

Ether pick up your gun and fight for what you take for granted or be happy because you now no longer have to take care of yourself.

Kade wrote:

Tala/Sauska wrote:

Mookie wrote:

I think we should vote Kade for president

No.

We would have a kick ass military though.

It wont matter who you vote for. Because Kade is going to take over the world anyway with his Evil kilt clad spawns and army of squigs.
(As i posted some were a few months back!)

I have found that politics and polite conversation don't mix. So I try not to talk about politics and make unnecessary enemies.

Kisses. <3

Kade wrote:

Its going to come down to Communism, or Revolution and i firmly believe that.

Ether pick up your gun and fight for what you take for granted or be happy because you now no longer have to take care of yourself.

Actually, as I see it the choice will be between fascism or revolution. Police state here we come (or here we already are, depending on your viewpoint)

Communism is where we will probably head if obama gets elected and has a Dem. controlled congress. Now, don't mistake my hatred for obama as support for mccain. I never have been a huge fan of his and agree that palin was a bad choice as VP. However, i will defend him against false accusations that are totally bias. But i would rather not get into politics here, as i enjoy playing with you all, and if i get into political arguments, i will most likely end up not liking several people. lol

Palin was a brilliant choice and the only reason McCain has gotten this far. Had he picked another old white guy, people would have been kinda meh about his campaign completely.

Palin's only major failing is that she isn't much of a public speaker. From all reports she gets things done which is all i really care about. I don't want her to be president, but i think she would do find as a vice president.

she does have some good points, but i wanted him to pick romney. Ive always liked him and i think he would be better at helping to deal with the economy.


On a side note: i saw on the news that Hustler is making a new movie starring a palin look a like, and its called Nailin Paylin! hahahaha

Kade wrote:

Palin was a brilliant choice and the only reason McCain has gotten this far. Had he picked another old white guy, people would have been kinda meh about his campaign completely.

Palin's only major failing is that she isn't much of a public speaker. From all reports she gets things done which is all i really care about. I don't want her to be president, but i think she would do find as a vice president.

Except when McCain dies in office and we're left with that woman running our country. No other single thought terrifies me as much as that. She is wholly unqualified to be president, as one of the major duties of a president is to negotiate international treaties, trade deals, etc. and to be the face of America abroad. It's one thing to not know where a country is on a map, or to not be able to name it's president or prime minister, or to have never been out of the country before, but it's quite another not to read a single newspaper to keep abreast of national and international affairs. Her lack of historical understanding will pass unnoticed to most American's, however, seeing as the average American also lacks a clear understanding of international history over the last 100 years or so. While this may not necessarily be a problem for most Americans, nor even their fault really as our educational system is in such a horrid state, but for someone running for the VP, it's an issue and I definitely care.

This really wouldn't be as big of an issue if McCain didn't look like he was going to die in office, but he does. It's a 24/7 job, and it ages even the younger presidents we've had (see pictures of Bush and Clinton throughtout their terms). They really should have picked someone more experienced than she is. And all the talk about her running a whole state as opposed to being in the senate is just misdirection. Obama's district in IL has a larger population than the state of Alaska, and he's been in office longer than she has.

And Communism if we elect Obama? In the purest sense that would mean the poor revolt and overthrow the government. If you're talking about Russia or China, you would mean that Obama will create a totalitarian state, we would abolish all political parties, cease holding national elections, nationalize all industries, and start torturing or starving our own citizens. If you mean something else, you'll have to explain because it isn't communism.

I'm for love freedom beer and smokes....take those away and i'll care a little more about polly-ticks

Ravey, yea your right, i probably should have said socialism. And ive already agreed that mccain should have made a better choice. And palin being pres. may terrify you, but obama being pres. is what terrifies me.

No doubt that McCain is one good porno away from a heart attack, but Palin doesn't scare me as much as Obama does.

I don't want a president that considers himself a "citizen of the world." I want an American who will fight for America, not a guy who is beholden to groups like Acorn. When Obama has a speech and cards in front of him, he is very compelling, but left to his own devices he cant manage to spit out a coherent sentence. I really think that the guy is a figure head for the liberal organizations that have at every point in his career been responsible for his rise through the ranks. By the way, this is the Acorn that Obama said at a benefit would have a place in his administration in the forefront and be able to affect change.

lets keep in mind that this is the same Acorn that is out right now signing up people to vote. Some of these people don't exist, some are under age, and to top it all off they are profiling people they sign up. They are targeting the "minority" groups and signing them up in droves. Hell they even signed up the a football team without their knowledge. They are actively trying to cheat in this election and the fact that Obama is associated with these guys gives me serious pause as to his judgment as well as his honesty.

Lets not even get started on his terrorist associations and his associations with radical Islam. Hell he cant even get his story straight about that Bill Ayers (spelling?) guy.

First he didn't know him, then he didn't know he was that Bill Ayers, then he sort of figured he had rehabilitated, and now come to find out that his campaign was launched from the guys living room! I can understand knowing the guy because you live in the same area, and had he just come out and said, "Yep, the guy is a friend of mine, and while i disagree with what he has done in the past, he has always been a friend to me." that would have been one thing, but no, he hid the association, and then he lied about it not once, but twice. Maybe he couldn't remember?

Second. This guys tax plan scares the hell out of me. Oh yea i get a tax cut. Super, but then to turn around and pay for it by taxing the hell out of the rich? Yea thats real smart. Thats redistribution of wealth, which is socialistic by its very nature. See, what happens when you tax the rich, who by the way employ most of us in some way or another, is that they will do one of a few different things. One they will hunker down and fire enough people so that they make up the difference, Two they will raise the prices on the goods they sell putting the tax hike right back on the middle class. Three, they will simply leave the country and continue to run their businesses from over seas while not paying the taxes. Four, they will slip through the cracks by making their wealth appear to be much lower than it really is through various corporation fronts, small businesses, and other ventures. This tax plan drives costs up irregardless of who you give the tax hike to.

Third. is it just me, or does this guy act like he is the coming messiah of the world? We have kids being brainwashed in schools singing songs of praise to obama and the change he will bring, are you serious? How does that not scare the crap out of you?

I think we simply don't know enough about him. Not only can we not verify that he was even born in the U.S. (thats right, he has somehow blocked anyone from viewing his birth certificate, which should be public record) but we have no idea of what he did during his college years, except that he studied law. We can't get a hold of a single person who want to college with the guy, we cant get a hold of a single paper, friend, thesus, or association for the time he was at college.

This guy might be the next president of the United States, if you don't think that any of this matters then why don't we just elect anyone. Why bother having an election at all if it doesn't matter. I for one don't trust people who are not honest with me, i don't trust people that i KNOW are hiding things from me that should make no difference.

Palin doesn't scare me at all because i don't believe she is being dishonest. Better an honest fool than a dishonest smart man. At least with Palin, you know what you are getting. You are getting the honest, hockey mom who isn't afraid of challenging the established order to affect real change.

If you want more and more government and legislation, More and more political correctness and more of America sold off to the rest of the world, then Obama is your guy, and i can't even promise that McCain wont do any of that, but at least with McCain there is the chance that he wont as opposed to Obama who we know will do that.

Kade wrote:

When Obama has a speech and cards in front of him, he is very compelling, but left to his own devices he cant manage to spit out a coherent sentence.

And yet he can still manage sentences 10,000,000,000x better than our current president. Listening to him speak is no where as annoying, imo, than Palin. Nothing makes me more scared than the fact that she could be president.

And experience shouldn't even be a topic. We have had a few low experience presidents that have turned out to be some of the best in US history.

Here's the thing about Americans. You can send their kids off by the thousands to get their balls blown off in foreign lands for no reason at all, saddle them with billions in debt year after congressional year while they spend their winters cheerfully watching game shows and football, pull the rug out from under their mortgages, and leave them living off their credit cards and their Wal-Mart salaries while you move their jobs to China and Bangalore.

And none of it matters, so long as you remember a few months before Election Day to offer them a two-bit caricature culled from some cutting-room-floor episode of Roseanne as part of your presidential ticket. And if she's a good enough likeness of a loudmouthed middle-American archetype, as Sarah Palin is, John Q. Public will drop his giant-size bag of Doritos in gratitude, wipe the Sizzlin' Picante dust from his lips and rush to the booth to vote for her. Not because it makes sense, or because it has a chance of improving his life or anyone else's, but simply because it appeals to the low-humming narcissism that substitutes for his personality, because the image on TV reminds him of the mean, brainless slob he sees in the mirror every morning.

Sarah Palin is a symbol of everything that is wrong with the modern United States. As a representative of our political system, she's a new low in reptilian villainy, the ultimate cynical masterwork of puppeteers like Karl Rove. But more than that, she is a horrifying symbol of how little we ask for in return for the total surrender of our political power.

Not only is Sarah Palin a fraud, she's the tawdriest, most half-assed fraud imaginable, 20 floors below the lowest common denominator, a character too dumb even for daytime TV -and this country is going to eat her up, cheering her every step of the way. All because most Americans no longer have the energy to do anything but lie back and allow ourselves to be jacked off by the calculating thieves who run this grasping consumer paradise we call a nation.

The great insight of the Palin VP choice is that huge chunks of American voters no longer even demand that their candidates actually have policy positions; they simply consume them as media entertainment, rooting for or against them according to the reflexive prejudices of their demographic, as they would for reality-show contestants or sitcom characters. Hicks root for hicks, moms for moms, born-agains for born-agains. Sure, there was politics in the Palin speech, but it was all either silly lies or merely incidental fluffery buttressing the theatrical performance. A classic example of what was at work here came when Palin proudly introduced her Down syndrome baby, Trig, then stared into the camera and somberly promised parents of special-needs kids that they would "have a friend and advocate in the White House." This was about a half-hour before she raised her hands in triumph with McCain, a man who voted against increasing funding for special-needs education.

Palin's charge that "government is too big" and that Obama "wants to grow it" was similarly preposterous. Not only did her party just preside over the largest government expansion since LBJ, but Palin herself has been a typical Bush-era Republican, borrowing and spending beyond her means. Her great legacy as mayor of Wasilla was the construction of a $14.7 million hockey arena in a city with an annual budget of $20 million; Palin OK'd a bond issue for the project before the land had been secured, leading to a protracted legal mess that ultimately forced taxpayers to pay more than six times the original market price for property the city ended up having to seize from a private citizen using eminent domain. Better yet, Palin ended up paying for the fucking thing with a 25 percent increase in the city sales tax. But in her speech, of course, Palin presented herself as the enemy of tax increases, righteously bemoaning that "taxes are too high," and Obama "wants to raise them."

Palin hasn't been too worried about federal taxes as governor of a state that ranks number one in the nation in federal spending per resident ($13,950), even as it sits just 18th in federal taxes paid per resident ($5,434). That means all us taxpaying non-Alaskans spend $8,500 a year on each and every resident of Palin's paradise of rugged self-sufficiency. Not that this sworn enemy of taxes doesn't collect from her own: Alaska currently collects the most taxes per resident of any state in the nation.

The rest of Palin's speech was the same dog-whistle crap Republicans have been running on for decades. Palin's crack about a mayor being "like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities" testified to the Republicans' apparent belief that they can win elections till the end of time running against the Sixties. (They're probably right.) The incessant grousing about the media was likewise par for the course, red meat for those tens of millions of patriotic flag-waving Americans whose first instinct when things get rough is to whine like bitches and blame other people -reporters, the French, those ungrateful blacks soaking up tax money eating big prison meals, whomever -for their failures.

Add to this the usual lies about Democrats wanting to "forfeit" to our enemies abroad and coddle terrorists, and you had a very run-of-the-mill, almost boring Republican speech from a substance standpoint. What made it exceptional was its utter hypocrisy, its total disregard for reality, its absolute unrelation to the facts of our current political situation. After eight years of unprecedented corruption, incompetence, waste and greed, the party of Karl Rove understood that 50 million Americans would not demand solutions to any of these problems so long as they were given a new, new thing to beat their meat over.

Here's what Sarah Palin represents: being a fat fucking pig who pins "Country First" buttons on his man titties and chants "U-S-A! U-S-A!" at the top of his lungs while his kids live off credit cards and Saudis buy up all the mortgages in Kansas.

The truly disgusting thing about Sarah Palin isn't that she's totally unqualified, or a religious zealot, or married to a secessionist, or unable to educate her own daughter about sex, or a fake conservative who raised taxes and horked up earmark millions every chance she got. No, the most disgusting thing about her is what she says about us: that you can ram us in the ass for eight solid years, and we'll not only thank you for your trouble, we'll sign you up for eight more years, if only you promise to stroke us in the right spot for a few hours around election time.

Democracy doesn't require a whole lot of work of its citizens, but it requires some: It requires taking a good look outside once in a while, and considering the bad news and what it might mean, and making the occasional tough choice, and soberly taking stock of what your real interests are.

This is a very different thing from shopping, which involves passively letting sitcoms melt your brain all day long and then jumping straight into the TV screen to buy a Southern-Style Chicken Sandwich because the slob singing "I'm Lovin' It!" during the commercial break looks just like you. The joy of being a consumer is that it doesn't require thought, responsibility, self-awareness or shame: All you have to do is obey the first urge that gurgles up from your stomach. And then obey the next. And the next. And the next.

And when it comes time to vote, all you have to do is put your Country First -- just like that lady on TV who reminds you of your cousin. U-S-A, baby. U-S-A! U-S-A!

The most persistent falsehood about Senator Barack Obama’s background first hit in 2004 just two weeks after the Democratic convention speech that helped set him on the path to his presidential candidacy: “Obama is a Muslim who has concealed his religion.”

That statement, contained in a press release, spun a complex tale about the ancestry of Mr. Obama, who is Christian.

The press release was picked up by a conservative Web site, FreeRepublic.com, and spread steadily as others elaborated on its claims over the years in e-mail messages, Web sites and books. It continues to drive other false rumors about Mr. Obama’s background.

Just last Friday, a woman told Senator John McCain at a town-hall-style meeting, “I have read about him,” and “he’s an Arab.” Mr. McCain corrected her.

Until this month, the man who is widely credited with starting the cyberwhisper campaign that still dogs Mr. Obama was a secondary character in news reports, with deep explorations of his background largely confined to liberal blogs.

But an appearance in a documentary-style program on the Fox News Channel watched by three million people last week thrust the man, Andy Martin, and his past into the foreground. The program allowed Mr. Martin to assert falsely and without challenge that Mr. Obama had once trained to overthrow the government.

An examination of legal documents and election filings, along with interviews with his acquaintances, revealed Mr. Martin, 62, to be a man with a history of scintillating if not always factual claims. He has left a trail of animosity — some of it provoked by anti-Jewish comments — among political leaders, lawyers and judges in three states over more than 30 years.

He is a law school graduate, but his admission to the Illinois bar was blocked in the 1970s after a psychiatric finding of “moderately severe character defect manifested by well-documented ideation with a paranoid flavor and a grandiose character.”

Though he is not a lawyer, Mr. Martin went on to become a prodigious filer of lawsuits, and he made unsuccessful attempts to win public office for both parties in three states, as well as for president at least twice, in 1988 and 2000. Based in Chicago, he now identifies himself as a writer who focuses on his anti-Obama Web site and press releases.

Mr. Martin, in a series of interviews, did not dispute his influence in Obama rumors.

“Everybody uses my research as a takeoff point,” Mr. Martin said, adding, however, that some take his writings “and exaggerate them to suit their own fantasies.”

As for his background, he said: “I’m a colorful person. There’s always somebody who has a legitimate cause in their mind to be angry with me.”

When questions were raised last week about Mr. Martin’s appearance and claims on “Hannity’s America” on Fox News, the program’s producer said Mr. Martin was clearly expressing his opinion and not necessarily fact.

It was not Mr. Martin's first turn on national television. The CBS News program "48 Hours" in 1993 devoted an hourlong program, "See You in Court; Civil War, Anthony Martin Clogs Legal System with Frivolous Lawsuits," to what it called his prolific filings. (Mr. Martin has also be known as Anthony Martin-Trigona.) He has filed so many lawsuits that a judge barred him from doing so in any federal court without preliminary approval.

He prepared to run as a Democrat for Congress in Connecticut, where paperwork for one of his campaign committees listed as one purpose “to exterminate Jew power.” He ran as a Republican for the Florida State Senate and the United States Senate in Illinois. When running for president in 1999, he aired a television advertisement in New Hampshire that accused George W. Bush of using cocaine.

In the 1990s, Mr. Martin was jailed in a case in Florida involving a physical altercation.

His newfound prominence, and the persistence of his line of political attack — updated regularly on his Web site and through press releases — amazes those from his past.

“Well, that’s just a bookend for me,” said Tom Slade, a former chairman of the Florida Republican Party, whom Mr. Martin sued for refusing to support him. Mr. Slade said Mr. Martin was driven like “a run-over dog, but he’s fearless.”

Given Mr. Obama’s unusual background, which was the focus of his first book, it was perhaps bound to become fodder for some opposed to his candidacy.

Mr. Obama was raised mostly by his white mother, an atheist, and his grandparents, who were Protestant, in Hawaii. He hardly knew his father, a Kenyan from a Muslim family who variously considered himself atheist or agnostic, Mr. Obama wrote. For a few childhood years, Mr. Obama lived in Indonesia with a stepfather he described as loosely following a liberal Islam.

Theories about Mr. Obama’s background have taken on a life of their own. But independent analysts seeking the origins of the cyberspace attacks wind up at Mr. Martin’s first press release, posted on the Free Republic Web site in August 2004.

Its general outlines have turned up in a host of works that have expounded falsely on Mr. Obama’s heritage or supposed attempts to conceal it, including “Obama Nation,” the widely discredited best seller about Mr. Obama by Jerome R. Corsi. Mr. Corsi opens the book with a quote from Mr. Martin.

“What he’s generating gets picked up in other places,” said Danielle Allen, a professor at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, N.J., who has investigated the e-mail campaign’s circulation and origins, “and it’s an example of how the Internet has given power to sources we would have never taken seriously at another point in time.”

Ms. Allen said Mr. Martin’s original work found amplification in 2006, when a man named Ted Sampley wrote an article painting Mr. Obama as a secret practitioner of Islam. Quoting liberally from Mr. Martin, the article circulated on the Internet, and its contents eventually found their way into various e-mail messages, particularly an added claim that Mr. Obama had attended “Jakarta’s Muslim Wahhabi schools. Wahhabism is the radical teaching that created the Muslim terrorists who are now waging jihad on the rest of the world.”

Mr. Obama for two years attended a Catholic school in Indonesia, where he was taught about the Bible, he wrote in “Dreams From My Father,” and for two years went to an Indonesian public school open to all religions, where he was taught about the Koran.

Mr. Sampley, coincidentally, is a Vietnam veteran and longtime opponent of Mr. McCain and Senator John Kerry, both of whom he accused of ignoring his claims that American prisoners were left behind in Vietnam. He previously portrayed Mr. McCain as a “Manchurian candidate.” Speaking of Mr. Martin’s influence on his Obama writings, Mr. Sampley said, “I keyed off of his work.”

Mr. Martin’s depictions of Mr. Obama as a secret Muslim have found resonance among some Jewish voters who have received e-mail messages containing various versions of his initial theory, often by new authors and with new twists.

In his original press release, Mr. Martin wrote that he was personally “a strong supporter of the Muslim community.” But, he wrote of Mr. Obama, “it may well be that his concealment is meant to endanger Israel.” He added, “His Muslim religion would obviously raise serious questions in many Jewish circles.”

Yet in various court papers, Mr. Martin had impugned Jews.

A motion he filed in a 1983 bankruptcy case called the judge “a crooked, slimy Jew who has a history of lying and thieving common to members of his race.”

In another motion, filed in 1983, Mr. Martin wrote, “I am able to understand how the Holocaust took place, and with every passing day feel less and less sorry that it did.”

In an interview, Mr. Martin denied some statements against Jews attributed to him in court papers, blaming malicious judges for inserting them.

But in his “48 Hours” interview in 1993, he affirmed a different anti-Semitic part of the affidavit that included the line about the Holocaust, saying, “The record speaks for itself.”

When asked Friday about an assertion in his court papers that “Jews, historically and in daily living, act through clans and in wolf pack syndrome,” he said, “That one sort of rings a bell.”

He said he was not anti-Semitic. “I was trying to show that everybody in the bankruptcy court was Jewish and I was not Jewish,” he said, “and I was being victimized by religious bias.”

In discussing the denial of his admission to the Illinois bar, Mr. Martin said the psychiatric exam listing him as having a “moderately severe personality defect” was spitefully written by an evaluator he had clashed with.

Mr. Martin, who says he is from a well-off banking and farming family, is clearly pleased with his newfound attention. But, he said, others have added to his work in “scary” ways.

“They Google ‘Islam’ and ‘Obama’ and my stuff comes up and they take that and kind of use that — like a Christmas tree, and they decorate it,” he said. For instance, he said, he did not necessarily ascribe to a widely circulated e-mail message from the Israeli right-wing activist Ruth Matar, which includes the false assertion, “If Obama were elected, he would be the first Arab-American president.”

He said he had at least come to “accept” Mr. Obama’s word that he had found Jesus Christ. His intent, he said, was only to educate.

I'm done. If you vote for McCain-Palin, you're wrong. I will not give the time to people who think 1) Obama is Muslim 2) Obama hangs out with terrorists 3) Obama is a socialist. If you are that easily mislead by the garbage you hear/see on tv you shouldn't be allowed to vote. If you are someone who thinks this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itEucdhf4Us
Then you are not patriotic, you're a damn moron.

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If you're going to blame Bush for starting to ruin the economy in the first 8 months of his Presidency, please say how he did so. You can't throw something like that out there without backing it up.

I know conservatives like to say 'the economic situation has nothing to do with the president' or 'economic impact take 4-8 years to set in so we cant blame the current president for the economic situation' but the fact of the matter is, the president makes the final decisions of our economic policy. Yes it has to be ratified by congress, but the prez has the final say. When you reject social welfare programs in favor of tax breaks for people who don't actually need it, you're affecting the economy of the future. Oh, and it's been more than the minimum stated above, so I guess SOME of the things Bush has pushed through will affect our economy today. The fact of the matter is Bush came into office he and his cabinet started doing all the things Republicans do for their friends when they have power, and destroying all the economic policies Clinton spent his entire presidency pushing for (if you recall in his early presidency, the republicans controlled both the house and senate, so he wasn't able to get his policies in until almost the very end of his presidency, which were overturned as quickly as Bush's administration could push it.)

There's another thing. I'm tired of conservatives calling you out and saying you don't know what you're talking about because you don't feel like vaulting into a full winded explanation (yes conservatives do it considerably more, not saying a liberal won't though). When most people blame Bush for things, they're not calling out the man individually, it's a reference to all the people standing behind him. When I say I hate Rupert Murdoch it's not just because he is a horrible excuse for a human being (my opinion, leave me alone), it's also because all the thousands of people who work under him producing his television programing are also narrow minded windbags. Everyone knows Bush is slow, but he is a lovable idiot, but Chenney isn't slow, and neither is Poppy Bush. Just about everyone in Bush's crew is considerably smarter, more capable, and more determined than our underachiever president is.

But hey, I guess it gives the youth something to look up to. If Bush can party, get drunk, do coke, and get C's in college and still become president then why can't we all.

Bush wasn't a good president. Clinton wasn't a good president. Bush Sr. wasn't a good president. Ronald Reagan wasn't a good president. Jimmy Carter wasn't a good president. Gerald Ford wasn't a good president. Richard Nixon wasn't a good president. W have to go back 40 years to find a man who can be deemed a good president. It's rare when a presidential candidate is actually a fine choice to hold our nations highest office. Like I said before, giant douche vs. turd sandwich.

We need to get past this bipartisan political beast we've created. There are smaller parties, but their chances of winning are about as good a sickly gazelles chances of killing a young fresh lion. We also need to deflate the ego we have about ourselves. We are NOT the best country in the world by a long shot, and the sooner we get over that mentality the sooner we'll be able to try to make ourselves the greatest country in the world.

When it comes down to it, the politicians that make the real differences in your life are your local politicans, local and state. You'll get more return for your vote by paying attention to the elections closer to home.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/23318320/mad_dog_palin/print

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/us/politics/13martin.html?_r=1&ref=politics&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

WOW! Plagiarize much? Do you work for the government? Now let me go search so I can paste and copy some real good articles for who I would vote for. Trust me it is not either the idiot McCain or the fake Obama. Man politics are great.

Selfish wrote:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/23318320/mad_dog_palin/print

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/us/politics/13martin.html?_r=1&ref=politics&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

WOW! Plagiarize much? Do you work for the government? Now let me go search so I can paste and copy some real good articles for who I would vote for. Trust me it is not either the idiot McCain or the fake Obama. Man politics are great.

Didn't feel like arguing with people who have their heads up their asses. I've done it for years and I'm bitter. Frankly, it was one of the more well thought out columns I've read in quite a long time. Apologies for not posting links, but the full article is even better. Feel free to post any links you want. It saved me lots of time at work from writing paragraph after paragraph about how most people in this country are F-ing retarded. You're not correct in your assessment though. McCain is no idiot, and if you think that, you should read a little more before just throwing out insults with no backing. And, both are fake to some degree.

"I'm done"??? Ok have it your way. Anyways, may be I was a little vague with my idiot statement but I have read his views and listen to him speak. I should have said his ideas are idiotic. You are right he did not get where he is today by being an idiot. Anyways continue with your political discussion. As you can see in this is accomplishing so much. I mainly posted to poke fun at an obvious plagiarism.